Unlocking Leadership Potential in Construction with Jesse Hernandez

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Intro: Welcome to the Construction Disruption Podcast, where we

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uncover the future of design, building, and remodeling.

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Todd Miller: I'm Todd Miller of Isaiah Industries, manufacturer

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of specialty metal roofing and other building materials.

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Today, my co host here on the Construction Disruption Show is Ryan Bell.

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Hi, Ryan.

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How is today going?

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Hi, Todd.

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So far, so good.

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How are you?

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Going well, doing okay.

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I need to come up with a more exciting intro.

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Something to ask you, but I do have a, have a knock knock joke for you.

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Ryan Bell: Okay.

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Let's hear it.

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Todd Miller: Okay.

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Well, you know, of course this is audience part, you have to

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participate to some degree.

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Ryan Bell: Okay,

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Todd Miller: here we go, Ryan.

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Knock, knock.

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Ryan Bell: Who's there?

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Todd Miller: Hike.

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Ryan Bell: Haiku.

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Todd Miller: In autumn's cool breeze, laughter knocks upon your

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door, smiles chase tears away.

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Ryan Bell: That was good.

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Todd Miller: Haiku, haiku, haiku.

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Ryan Bell: Yeah, I got it.

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As soon as I said it, I knew where you were going with it.

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Todd Miller: Okay.

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Shall we get this show on the road?

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Ryan Bell: Let's do it.

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Yes.

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Todd Miller: So today our spotlighted guest is Jesse Hernandez.

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Uh, based in San Antonio, Texas, Jesse is no stranger to the

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construction field, having spent his entire career in this industry.

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Jesse is now the owner of DepthBuilder and DepthBuilder.

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com.

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Through his company, Jesse is a strong advocate for the construction

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industry and in particular for good leadership and good communication.

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He works with construction professionals of all types, helping them to increase

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their influence, or increase their influence, I should say, by improving

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their communication styles and the way they solve problems, a published authors,

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public speaker, podcaster, and consultant, Jesse is determined to elevate our

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industry through improved leadership.

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And communication, Jesse, welcome to construction disruption.

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Jesse Hernandez: Oh, good morning.

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Thank you for having me.

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And thank you for that joke.

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I was like, Oh, that was, that was pretty witty there.

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The haiku.

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Todd Miller: Well, sometimes we try to add a little levity and.

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Just to let our audience know, and Jesse is in on this as well.

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Um, we have each been given a challenge word, uh, to work into

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our conversation here today.

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So, uh, you, our audience can listen for words that we, uh, might say that

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may seem a little peculiar, um, to you.

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And perhaps that was the challenge word that one of us had.

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And at the end of the show, we will say whether we've said

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our challenge words or not.

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So, um, Jesse, one of the things that I know that you really believe

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in, uh, and I'm right there with you and I know Ryan is as well.

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Um, is the power of story.

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Um, and we all have stories that can bolster and encourage and build into

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others in order to make the world better.

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Um, this is a big open ended question I'm about to ask you, but can you tell

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us a little bit, you know, about your early years, how you came to be in the

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construction industry and, you know, perhaps go ahead and share a story

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of something in your life that has really helped shape what you're doing.

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These patients that you have today.

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Jesse Hernandez: Oh, my goodness.

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Yes.

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Thank you for that, Todd.

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So keep it concise.

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I'm only going to go back to the 1900s when I am, right?

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Like, because you can say that.

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And it's true.

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Now you can graduated high school.

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95 1995.

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My dad's a plumber.

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And so I'm a second generation plumber, except that I don't do plumbing anymore.

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Uh, anyhow, graduated high school, got a summer job to save up some

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cash to pay for room and board at a junior college here in Texas.

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And I walked on the job site.

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It was a commercial renovation of a high school here in town.

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And the environment was like Disneyland for me.

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And when I think back on it, the reason it was so welcoming.

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Is because my energy in the classroom only got me in trouble and the reaction I

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would get from my teachers and classmates and so forth made me feel less than

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because I needed to behave a certain way that I did it took everything I

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had to do it like for me to be quiet.

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Takes way more energy than it does for me to go at the speed.

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I like to go.

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It just drains.

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Anyhow, I was on a college track, but again, worked on that job site.

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I said, Oh, my goodness, this is what I want to do.

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The physicality, the problem solving, the camaraderie, the

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sensory input, like just problem solving, like everything was great.

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It was the conditions that are perfect for people like me to thrive and grow.

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But I didn't know that back then, right?

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I just saw fun and excitement and adventure.

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Um, so started working, got an apprenticeship, uh, cause I didn't want

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to be a helper for the rest of my life.

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I asked one of the foremen I was working with, he said, well, you need to get in

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an apprenticeship program if you want to really like advance your career.

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So I did, got my license.

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Um, so started there as an apprentice and then ended up.

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Getting the leadership position promoted to foreman.

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I say promoted because most people would understand that, but it was more

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like punished to foreman because I was always complaining and irritated about

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the way people were running things and the way they were treating people.

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So they said, okay, you want to cry?

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You go do it.

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Todd Miller: You think you could do better?

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Have at it.

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I love that.

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Jesse Hernandez: And so like that little thing of, of me not being able to,

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to be content with, Like funky stuff.

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That's not fun and more difficult than it has to be.

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It's probably the root of what guided the rest of my career.

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So within that organization, I was on the plumbing side of the

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business for just over 20 years, you know, installer, foreman,

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superintendent, general superintendent.

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At one point I was responsible for training and development,

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transitional training from installer to foreman, foreman to superintendent.

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Um, I was responsible for recruiting, put together.

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Uh, internship program, trade based internship program for high school

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students, 16 to 18 to come out in the field and get a feel for, because we

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did plumbing, piping and sheet metal.

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And so when they'd come with us over the summer, they would spend four to six weeks

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and with the plumbers, four to six weeks with the pipe fitter welders and four

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to six weeks with the sheet metal crew.

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And at the end of the summer, some of them would say, I ain't doing this no more.

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It's waking up at sevens hard.

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And some would say, man, I really liked the sheet metal stuff.

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Cool.

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Come back next summer and then we'll get you an apprenticeship, et cetera.

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That I found a passion for, and maybe more importantly, an

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aptitude for developing people.

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And it, the root of that was one of my bosses, Jim Jones.

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He's passed away.

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And I say, boss, he was my boss, but he was also a mentor.

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Somebody I looked up to then and still look up to.

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Um, one day he sat me down and told me, he's like, Jesse, you're

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pretty good at getting jobs done.

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You're pretty good at making money.

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But people quit around you and I'm like, yeah, I know, like,

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you need to hire tougher people.

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And he says, well, here's the thing.

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You have tons of potential.

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And if you want to grow your influence with the organization,

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you have to accomplish two things.

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One, you're already doing financial results.

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Two, is develop people.

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And you're horrible at that.

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I'm like, wait a minute, who, like all of a sudden there's these new rules

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I gotta play by that, you know, cause as an installer you get rewarded.

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For how much you do, how much you independently install.

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And so now I got to develop people upside is I was working

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for TD industries at the time.

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Um, they had phenomenal program to help me develop those leadership

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skills, people skills, et cetera.

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And so I went in that direction and all of a sudden that unlocked the

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whole, uh, new horizon for me because.

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When I started developing, um, a knack for being a people focused leader, one,

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people liked me more, people didn't like me before, and two, people stuck around

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for, like, stuck with me for an extended period of time so that I can continue

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honing my skills, but also contributing to the development of their capabilities.

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That grew into my neck.

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It kept expanding from developing my team to developing the business

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unit, to getting the public speak in industry organizations, which then I

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got recruited to do a job as serve as a regional asset for the central United

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States, leading change and supporting people through whatever that looks like,

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had an amazing team that was way more credentialed, way more talented than me.

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And so it was my privilege to serve and support them, um, which then led to

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a national role with the big national brand, national responsibilities.

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Um, I did that for a little while, super amazing.

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And then I started my business just over two years ago because

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along the way, each of those jumps.

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When I was an apprentice, I always thought the people in the office, they're

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fancier, smarter, more intelligent, and have all the right answers.

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And that's why I'm not there because I don't have them.

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Well, as I moved up the ranks in the trade side of the business, I discovered like,

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Oh, these people up here are human too.

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And then I went to work for general contractor, which again, in my head,

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they are the titans of industry.

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So they know everything.

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They're more educated.

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They manage bigger backlog, et cetera.

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And guess what?

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They're also.

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Human too.

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And so it was kind of like, man, we're all just trying to figure this out.

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And one of the key, um, gaps that we have is this communication thing, specifically

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the listening part, the communicating to establish and cultivate connection

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was totally absent at every level.

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And I knew it because I couldn't do it at first, but I'd worked on it.

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Um, and, and that's kind of.

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Lit my flame.

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And that's where I come from most of the time now.

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Todd Miller: Wow.

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Very interesting.

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So as you started your own company, well, first of all, let me ask, um,

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tell us a little bit about how you arrived at the name depth builder.

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Um, how did that end up being what you called your business?

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Jesse Hernandez: That's a funny, I wish it was like some really deep intention,

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but it's not.

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Um, I was, I was in the pro I was still working full time.

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I knew it was going to be launching my business.

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And so I knew what I wanted to do.

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I didn't know what to call it.

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And I had a bunch of just like, whatever.

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And I was workshopping.

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I hired a coach.

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If anybody's out there, you need a coat.

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Like if you're trying something new, get a coach that just do that or get a peer

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that can help you kick ideas around.

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But I had a coach and she and I were going through some stuff.

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She had helped me super talented woman.

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I miss Kim white.

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She helped me write a couple of books.

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Um, and so as we're talking, she's like, Jesse, you're giving me all

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these names and they sound like, you know, fancy names, right?

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Like a keyword rich business name type thinking, but they were soulless.

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And she's like, Jess, I've been involved with you for over a year now.

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Everything that you put out is pretty deep in that it's not surface level.

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It's not the rapper.

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It's like the dirty details of what, what really being a person on the world is.

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And I was like, wow, that, thank you.

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It's like, she's like, you have a lot of depth.

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And I said, well, when I work with people, that's what I want to do.

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I want, because I know for me, the most fulfilling experience is to work

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with one person, a person one on one or small teams for an experience, extended

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period of time, because I can see the shift in the way they think and function

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with that really rich connection.

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Which is a matter of depth, right?

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We're not talking about how to read budgets.

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We're talking about how does it feel to have to present a budget that you're

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showing a 20 percent overage on labor?

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That's not going to improve.

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What does that feel like?

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And how do you have that conversation anyways?

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And so I said, well, what about depth builder?

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And she's like, yes, done.

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So that was it.

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That's how we came up with the name.

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Todd Miller: Well, I love it.

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It's a great name.

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Well, yeah.

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Tell us a little bit about what you do, you know, how you work with your

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clients, things you can help them with.

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Um, you know, what, what do you provide to your clients?

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Jesse Hernandez: Yeah, absolutely.

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The, um, One of the easiest ways to frame it is, I help people

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expand their influence, right?

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Because I believe, and you guys probably know, you got

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a podcast, there's tremendous value in expanding our influence.

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But, and there's a lot of ways to expand our influence.

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Right.

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I can market the hell out of myself and do tick tock dances and stuff.

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And I'll get attention and more people will know my name, but

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that's kind of fleeting, right?

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It's it'll run a run out.

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Um, but when I connect with somebody and contribute into somebody else's life or

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into their career, I have real influence now, there is an appreciation and a

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connection that won't be broken unless I, um, violate something, some trust or, or.

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Something in that manner, kind of like being up on the wall, falling off,

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getting busted up when you break trust.

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It's like Humpty Dumpty falling off the wards.

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Very difficult to put it all back together.

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Right?

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So what I do is I help these leaders.

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Understand how they're communicating and through the venue of problem

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solving, which again, fancy words, but it's really more about what we

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typically shifting their thinking from don't bring me any problems.

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Bring me your solution.

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That's it.

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That's a standard way of thinking, which kind of works.

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But I am.

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I believe that that builds dependency within our team.

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Because I'm not engaging.

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I'm not listening.

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I'm not receiving.

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I'm not supporting or contributing.

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So it's more a shift from that type of just tell me what, or

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let me just tell you what to do.

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It's more a shift in thinking, let's understand the problem better.

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What's going on here?

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What are the contributing factors?

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And going to the people that are closest to the problem, to understand the

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problem from their perspective as well.

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And so it's sort of a collaborative social approach to solving business

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problems, such that when we actually pull, press the button to make things

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better or make the change, everybody that's affected with the issue is aware of

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what's going to happen and is behind it.

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So that when you deploy the, the solution, it sticks, which is very

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different than sending out an email effective immediately thou shalt.

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You ever receive or send any of those emails?

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Oh, yeah.

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All of that, that stuff that I kind of described in a very muddy fashion happens

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as a result of a lot of touches, a lot of investigation, a lot of behavioral

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change, and a lot of awakenings in terms of self awareness as we go through

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evaluating the business problems and solving them in a different manner.

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Um, so high level, big complex stuff.

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That's what I do.

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Super simple, personal is introduce people, help them become aware of their

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habit, their solutionizing habits.

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So like help them stop solution shanking people.

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And I'm sure both of you know exactly what I mean when I, you

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hear the word solution shank.

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Todd Miller: Yes.

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Jesse Hernandez: Right.

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Like, absolutely.

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And so what happens when we solution shank, right?

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Somebody comes to me with their problem.

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I, I don't even let them finish.

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I tell them, this is what you do.

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Right.

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And I do that over and over and over.

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And then what ends up happening, I start getting really irritated.

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Because my team can't make a damn decision.

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And I start believing everybody around me doesn't have or take initiative when the

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fact is I created that situation because all I do is give them answers all the

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time, I've disconnected them from their agency because I don't even let them

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finish the sit describing the situation.

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So another exercise, like a big thing that I'm really working hard on is

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introducing people to a methodology that helps them become aware of how

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horrible we listen, how horrible we are at giving and receiving feedback,

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and how like just super, super rude.

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I don't say scrub level.

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We are at staying focused on the task at hand.

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And so an example, have you ever been in a situation where you're messing

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around with your Excel spreadsheet and you're like struggling with it?

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And somebody comes behind you and says, why are you doing it like that?

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You should do this press control tab, blah, blah, blah.

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And you're like, dude, like I'm good.

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And then another person flies in and says, no, don't do that.

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You should do this.

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Why aren't you using Google?

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And, and like, you just want to turn your computer off so they can go away.

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Sound familiar?

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Todd Miller: Yes.

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Absolutely.

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Jesse Hernandez: Right.

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So these, we, there's, you have a situation, you didn't need help.

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Somebody that should be working on another task goes and invades, violates your

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space to shower you with their wisdom.

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So now you got two clowns working on a problem that only one can fix because

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only one person fits on the keyboard.

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And then the third person comes and starts mixing it up.

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Yeah.

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We do that instinctually believing that we're helping,

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but nobody is getting helped.

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And even worse, we're compounding the loss in terms of time and time

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and dollars if you're at work by this behavior, but we're not even aware of it.

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So anyways, that's one of the funnest things I get to do is help people

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understand those dynamics and how they play out all day, every day.

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And more importantly, that we're all guilty of it because it's easy to

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say, Oh, yeah, I know who does that.

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But guess what?

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So do

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Todd Miller: you.

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Absolutely.

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I'm curious as you spoke there, and I do not mean this in any way,

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shape or form is a sexist question.

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But as you work with.

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Men and women leaders, do you notice any difference in their natural

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approaches to problem solving?

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Um, I oftentimes feel like I do, and I'm curious how that impacts you as a coach.

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Jesse Hernandez: Oh, that is a phenomenal question.

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So I'm going to say I've seen what would typically be, um,

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bucketized as a male approach.

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And a female approach, but I've seen it like concurrent.

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So for example, it took me a while, but now I'm, I take a very social

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radical, rather, I'll say it this way.

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My focus is 100 percent on making things better for the men and

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women that are doing the work.

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So I have a social approach to everything.

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I am focused on the human beings.

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Yes, the processes and systems are important and that's

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what we're going to work on.

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With the intent of making things better for people.

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And so I've had many really great conversations with leaders.

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They're like, man, you know, you take a very soft approach, which they're

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saying in a very nice way, a feminine approach, um, or as a masculine approach

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is like, just fix the damn thing.

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Just go do something, right?

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We got to take action.

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Why are we sitting here talking?

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Why do we got to talk to everybody?

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Just tell them what to do.

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Sure.

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So now I've seen that approach.

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We'll say the masculine approach and both men and women.

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In executive levels and up, and I think it's because, especially in construction,

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because of the way the boys play the game, women are conditioned to be extremely

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assertive and extremely aggressive.

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So they adopt that behavior.

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Now, that being said, I've also been able to observe and study some

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phenomenal leaders that are women who naturally, like their instinct.

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Their default mode was to take a communal approach.

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How are we going to look at this?

00:21:09
How are it's always a we focus and what resources do I need to

00:21:14
provide you or provide the team so that we can overcome that deal?

00:21:19
Um, and so I guess that's kind of a really muddy way to say a broken egg way

00:21:25
to say, yes, that I do see a difference.

00:21:30
And what I'm really, really focused on is helping everybody, whatever gender,

00:21:37
is to come over and take a more human, people, communal approach to problem

00:21:42
solving and building the business.

00:21:44
Todd Miller: Very interesting.

00:21:46
Well, I'm kind of curious.

00:21:47
Um, You know, most of us in, in our lives and in business have

00:21:51
experienced both, you know, what I call those mountain top experiences.

00:21:55
Hey, everything's great.

00:21:56
Top of the mountain and those valley experience.

00:21:59
I'm kind of curious.

00:22:00
What is the mindset or position of most of your clients when they come to you?

00:22:06
Do you often find they're in the valley and struggling and grasping

00:22:10
or are they on the mountaintop saying, Hey, I want to stay here?

00:22:13
Jesse Hernandez: Oh man, that's a tough question, Todd.

00:22:16
Geez.

00:22:18
Oh, okay.

00:22:18
So I'll say it this way.

00:22:20
What's really interesting is when, when people reach out, they almost always

00:22:27
believe they're in the valley and they believe they're at absolute rock

00:22:31
bottom, which I think is important.

00:22:34
It's not, it's not like a requirement for me, but I think it's important because

00:22:38
that's an indicator of humility, right?

00:22:40
An indication of.

00:22:42
We have things to improve on.

00:22:44
And so when I start learning, you know, we start, okay, help

00:22:47
me understand what's going on.

00:22:48
And almost every time them leaders are like, you know, I'm a little embarrassed

00:22:54
that we're, you know, we're probably going to be the worst client you've ever had.

00:22:57
We probably the most dysfunction.

00:22:59
And when we go through it, I'm like, yeah, no, you're not like, not at all.

00:23:03
That's, this is pretty standard.

00:23:05
And so.

00:23:07
I have one group of amazing leaders, but because they haven't been

00:23:13
able to see what I've been able to see through my career, right?

00:23:16
Working with as a trade contractor, I got to, I got exposed to.

00:23:22
We'll just say hundreds of leadership styles from the G.

00:23:25
C.

00:23:26
Superintendent project managers on the project.

00:23:29
Not all of them.

00:23:29
Well, very, very actually only 3 of them were phenomenal.

00:23:33
The rest were the same, which is bad when I went to work for serving that regional

00:23:39
role, I got to see hundreds of leaders from general from within the general

00:23:44
contractor and other trade organizations.

00:23:47
And I got to see the gambit, right?

00:23:49
Like the spectrum expanded in terms of what bad was and what great was.

00:23:54
And so they are not because those folks are within that group and they've

00:23:59
been there for a long period of time.

00:24:00
They're kind of blind to how amazing or how weak they are.

00:24:07
This one group, phenomenal leadership behavior, like.

00:24:12
I mean, top best in class leadership behavior that is just naturally inherent

00:24:19
in the way they function in the way they make decisions, and they think

00:24:22
they're horrible, like you have no idea.

00:24:25
Y'all are the dang best.

00:24:26
Now, I will say, so in my head, I'm looking at them like you guys are here.

00:24:33
And you're going to go further, right?

00:24:35
There's always room for improvement, or you're going to

00:24:36
stay at the top of the mountain.

00:24:38
There are some people, uh, teams or leaders that are closer to

00:24:42
the valley and they recognize it.

00:24:44
And there's some core fundamental stuff they need that they got to

00:24:48
work on before anything I do is going to be of any benefit to them.

00:24:52
And I have that conversation.

00:24:53
Like, look, I can, I could do stuff.

00:24:56
And I'm going to have fun and your people are going to have fun, but it's

00:24:58
not going to stick because you have some core fundamental ownership stuff that

00:25:02
you need to resolve within your team.

00:25:04
But I wouldn't say those people are in the valley, right?

00:25:07
Because they're aware and they're seeking resource.

00:25:10
Todd Miller: Right.

00:25:10
Absolutely.

00:25:11
Yeah.

00:25:11
Jesse Hernandez: The ones that are in the valley never know it because

00:25:15
they think they have it figured out.

00:25:17
And they think when, when I say the ones specifically the

00:25:19
leaders that are in the valley.

00:25:22
Are the leaders that don't have a problem and the leaders that know

00:25:25
the answer to everything already.

00:25:27
They're clueless as to how horrible a situation they have and the suffering

00:25:31
that their people are experiencing.

00:25:33
Todd Miller: Very interesting.

00:25:34
And, you know, I like what you're saying, you know, you gotta have that humility and

00:25:37
that introspection to really be able to know where you are and see where you are.

00:25:42
Well, can you share with us a story or two maybe of a client that, um,

00:25:47
you really helped them to new levels of success and leadership maybe?

00:25:51
Yeah,

00:25:52
Jesse Hernandez: absolutely.

00:25:54
So I got two in one, um, Um, I was still working full time, but it was kind,

00:25:59
it was the awakening moment for me to say, Oh, this is what I want to do.

00:26:05
This is what I'm accidentally great at and what I want to do.

00:26:10
So I was working the guy, he was the significant responsibility in the finance

00:26:14
department for the state of Texas.

00:26:16
And I was coaching him through some problem solving.

00:26:20
And we're going to, if you're familiar with the A3 methodology,

00:26:23
that's the framework that I use, but it's super justified, right?

00:26:26
It's, it's the way I do it.

00:26:28
Um, and so we're working through his problem.

00:26:30
The problem he was trying to solve was outside of his department, totally

00:26:35
outside of his circle of influence, but it was really, it caught his attention.

00:26:38
It was really important to him.

00:26:40
So as we're going through it, he wants to like, this is what we need to do.

00:26:44
I'm like, why, how, why, how is it?

00:26:47
Well, because X, Y, and Z.

00:26:49
It's like, okay, are those factual?

00:26:51
These things that you're saying are the contributing factors.

00:26:54
How do you validate that?

00:26:56
He's like, what do you mean?

00:26:58
I was like, where's the data?

00:27:00
So he's okay.

00:27:01
Let me go find some data.

00:27:02
It's like, yeah, exactly.

00:27:02
Go find out.

00:27:03
So he goes and he gets some more data.

00:27:05
He comes back.

00:27:05
He's like, man, that's not the right thing.

00:27:07
This is really what's happening.

00:27:08
Awesome.

00:27:09
Where'd you learn that from?

00:27:10
Well, from the guys and from the crew and from every, ah, okay, well,

00:27:15
this is what I think we need to do.

00:27:16
It's like, okay, how do you know it's going to work?

00:27:18
Well, what do you mean?

00:27:20
It's like, how do you know the people are even going to adopt your idea?

00:27:25
He says, man, should I ask him to hell?

00:27:28
Yeah, that sounds like a really good idea.

00:27:30
So he went and presented the ideas to the, to the crew, the people who

00:27:33
were studying, and he came back and he's like, man, my ideas were garbage.

00:27:38
They gave me some really phenomenal ideas.

00:27:40
So we're going to do those.

00:27:41
And a couple of them we're going to put on the back burner, maybe

00:27:44
phase two, phase three, them Because we're not ready for them.

00:27:48
And I'm like, awesome.

00:27:50
And in those, that experience, he's, he comes, calls me up one day.

00:27:53
He's like, Jess, I've been doing this wrong my whole career.

00:27:59
It's like, huh?

00:28:00
He's like, man, I just, I feel like I've ruined people's careers

00:28:05
by telling them what to do all the time and driving them down a path

00:28:09
that I thought was the best path.

00:28:12
And I set them up for a lot of friction and failure.

00:28:15
What I should have been teaching them was this, how to listen more, how to

00:28:19
ask questions, how to go and engage with people so that you can build the community

00:28:24
to just solve problems all the time.

00:28:27
And he was really beating up, beating himself up from that point.

00:28:31
He changed the way he leads and function and his now his, his career expanded.

00:28:38
And here's the key point.

00:28:40
It expanded in the direction that he wanted it to.

00:28:44
He now became fully aware of how he wanted to serve others and crafted

00:28:51
the, this third half of his leg, the leg of his career to do what he gets

00:28:57
fulfillment, passion, um, and energy from.

00:29:00
Whereas he was down this other track, which was a pretty fancy, sexy track.

00:29:04
But he hated it.

00:29:05
And that came as a result of the work we did together, which for clarity,

00:29:09
this didn't happen in like a 30 minute sit down or four or five call.

00:29:14
This was months and months of work and dialogue.

00:29:17
That's one example.

00:29:19
Another example is a dear friend of mine, amazing human being, I had a theory that

00:29:29
because I've been exposed to so many leaders in the industry, there were a

00:29:34
handful of people that really stood out to me and they stood out to me because

00:29:40
they had an intense people centered approach to leadership, like almost to

00:29:47
the point that they ignored financial performance, which is dangerous, right?

00:29:52
Um, And I said, okay, these people are amazing.

00:29:58
They're, they're humble.

00:29:59
They speak my language.

00:30:01
They can affect people at a personal level.

00:30:05
How can I amplify their influence?

00:30:08
So I ran an experiment in which that experiment now is known

00:30:12
as emotional bungee jumpers.

00:30:13
I said, Hey, I called those people up.

00:30:15
Then I said, Hey man, I want to try this thing.

00:30:17
Are y'all okay with it?

00:30:18
Yeah.

00:30:18
Okay, cool.

00:30:18
Six of us supposed to be a one day thing turned in.

00:30:23
We did it for a year, once a month.

00:30:25
Um, and now it's turned into an online community.

00:30:28
Anyways, one of those individuals, I mean, three of them, but I'm talking

00:30:33
about one in specific, got very, again, got extremely clear about what

00:30:39
is it that I want to do with myself?

00:30:42
What is it in the way that I treat or interact with people

00:30:46
that is holding me back?

00:30:48
And so she started making big decisions in her personal life

00:30:52
and professional life such that.

00:30:55
It became very clear to her business, like the, the, the officers within that

00:31:00
organization that like, Oh my goodness, we need to design a track to keep this.

00:31:07
Awesome professional with us.

00:31:10
And so they did, they went ahead and said, okay, this is what you want to do.

00:31:14
We see you have the capabilities of doing it.

00:31:16
You're already going out on the ledge and trying being innovative and doing new

00:31:20
things to help us improve our culture.

00:31:22
So we're going to put you on that path.

00:31:24
This is the timeline and she's steadily working down that thing.

00:31:28
And it came from the, the, the small awakenings that we had in working

00:31:33
together and workshopping different stuff.

00:31:36
Uh, which for me, like, I'm just like, Oh, we need her to get there already.

00:31:39
But she's completely content.

00:31:40
She's like, Jesse, you shut up.

00:31:41
You go too fast.

00:31:43
I'm fine with slow and steady.

00:31:45
I'm like, okay, that's fine.

00:31:46
Uh, so those are a couple of examples.

00:31:48
Todd Miller: Well, great examples.

00:31:49
And I, and I love what you're doing because.

00:31:52
You know, I, I think a lot of times folks get into leadership and they do fall

00:31:56
into, you know, what I call leaders, the leadership fallacy or the leadership trap

00:32:00
in terms of what they think leadership is.

00:32:03
And a lot of times leadership really is rather than just putting stuff out there

00:32:08
and making it cut and dry and making.

00:32:09
Making things more chewy for your people, making them, making them

00:32:13
think and making them work and making them communicate and work together.

00:32:17
Well, tell us a little about you've, you've written a couple of books.

00:32:20
Um, you want to give us a quick overview of those?

00:32:23
Jesse Hernandez: Yeah, sure.

00:32:23
So the first book, um, co wrote with Jennifer Lacey, who she and I do no BS

00:32:30
with Jen and Jess have a live stream every other Saturday at 8 AM central.

00:32:35
We co authored that book, uh, I think it's called Lean and Love 5S Love Letters,

00:32:41
and it's really contextualizing the 5S system, if anybody's heard of it,

00:32:44
sort, set, shine, standardize, sustain.

00:32:48
Contextualizing this system that's typically practiced

00:32:52
in the professional space.

00:32:56
And applying it to personal relationships.

00:33:00
And so I had some love letters, uh, that somebody wrote to me at the

00:33:06
end of like, as our relationship was wearing away and, and that person

00:33:10
contextualize them in this one, I was like, Oh my God, these things are magic.

00:33:15
I couldn't do it, but I knew it would be helpful for a lot of people.

00:33:18
And so a couple, a few years go by Jen and I connect.

00:33:21
I said, Hey Jen, let's have a conversation around these things

00:33:24
and how these ideas apply to work.

00:33:27
We started doing some live streams.

00:33:29
It caught wind, the, the transcripts of those live streams turned in the

00:33:34
source into the source material for that book, and it's, it's kind of a

00:33:41
different type of book, meaning it's not structured as most books are.

00:33:45
Uh, So that one is out there.

00:33:47
It's been out there for, I think, just over two years now.

00:33:50
And then the second book is, um, the, the, it's my book.

00:33:55
It's about, it's got 20 stories of what I lived through.

00:33:58
The title is Becoming the Promise You're Intended to Be.

00:34:03
And it's ideally for anyone that is stuck in self destructive behavior.

00:34:09
Uh, substance abuse, addiction.

00:34:12
This book is intended to help them see that even though they're there

00:34:17
right now, they can make it out with a little bit of resiliency.

00:34:22
They can put Humpty Dumpty back together again and get out there

00:34:26
and serve in the manner that they were best designed to serve.

00:34:29
So those are the two books.

00:34:30
Todd Miller: Wow, good thing.

00:34:32
Are those available on Amazon or what's the best way?

00:34:34
Amazon, yes.

00:34:35
Good deal.

00:34:36
Well, tell me a little bit about what happens when you onboard a new client.

00:34:42
What does that look like for them and for you?

00:34:44
What do those early stages look like?

00:34:47
Just to give our listeners kind of a taste for it.

00:34:50
And also, I'm kind of curious, do you work only with construction

00:34:54
companies or have you worked with other types of industries as well?

00:34:57
Jesse Hernandez: Oh, I love that.

00:34:58
So I'll address the second question.

00:35:00
First, I haven't done any paid gigs with anybody outside of

00:35:07
the construction industry, but I have helped and contributed

00:35:11
to some nonprofit organizations, some local organizations, right?

00:35:15
Like small teams, personal friends, I'll, I'll help in a.

00:35:18
Some sort of capacity.

00:35:20
Um, now, because these, the things that I work on are human things.

00:35:25
I just have a wealth of knowledge in construction.

00:35:28
Um, or maybe not a wealth of knowledge.

00:35:30
I've just been here long enough for people to think I have a wealth

00:35:33
of knowledge in construction.

00:35:34
Uh, now, in terms of onboarding.

00:35:38
That typically looks like somebody's got an issue, like a, we'll call

00:35:42
them legacy issues, those problems that just seem to never go away.

00:35:46
Uh, or they want to have a shift in their culture, uh, uh,

00:35:52
meaning specifically towards how do we get more people centered?

00:35:56
How do we do things such that, uh, our people have a higher quality experience

00:36:02
while they're doing their job and existing within the organization?

00:36:06
And.

00:36:07
It, I'm nosy.

00:36:10
So I need to know, I really need to understand what are

00:36:14
the, what are you experiencing?

00:36:16
What are other people experiencing?

00:36:18
We can get into data and metrics down the road, but up front, it's

00:36:22
like, what does it feel like?

00:36:23
What's kicking you in the face?

00:36:26
How long has it been kicking you in the face?

00:36:28
What are the politics like do we want to work with the most influential

00:36:35
and responsible people within the organization, or do you want to just

00:36:39
go do some stuff out in the field.

00:36:42
And that's a really important question because what I've observed

00:36:46
over and over and over again.

00:36:48
The default is let's go fix the field.

00:36:51
Let's go fix the install team, which of course, right?

00:36:55
Cause that's where the dollar turns.

00:36:58
However, that's not where the problems start.

00:37:02
That's where the problems surface, the problem start all the way up the ladder.

00:37:07
And so I need to get a feel for where that leader decision maker is in terms of where

00:37:14
they want their, uh, the focus to be.

00:37:17
And I will 100 percent always advocate, even push to when are we going to

00:37:22
go work on the decision makers?

00:37:24
When are we going to go work on them?

00:37:26
Because whatever we do out here at the hands and eye level of the business is

00:37:33
not going to stick if we don't start fixing some stuff that's further upstairs.

00:37:38
Um, and so that usually happens over a series of conversations.

00:37:43
I always try to find a way to meet the team and this is all before

00:37:48
there's even a proposal put together.

00:37:49
Right.

00:37:50
Um, and like whatever that is, if I got, if I can fabricate a way to come

00:37:56
in and do facilitate a conversation, uh, do a lunch and learn or whatever

00:38:01
so that I can meet their people.

00:38:06
It's the most important thing for me, one, because I don't know about you guys, but

00:38:11
I don't like working with jerks, right?

00:38:14
Like, that's not fun.

00:38:16
You know, if there's enough cool people and a few jerks, I could deal with that.

00:38:21
But if everybody's a jerk, why would I put myself in that situation?

00:38:26
And so being able to have some kind of group interaction with their

00:38:29
leaders or with their team helps me get a feel for what's going on.

00:38:34
What I'm dealing with, like, what's their open mindedness?

00:38:37
What kind of, um, what's the level of passive aggressive behavior?

00:38:42
Uh, how direct are they?

00:38:44
Like, I'm, I want to get a feel for that because the more direct you are, the

00:38:47
better, the more fun we're going to have and the faster we're going to progress.

00:38:51
And what's also really important is I'm kind of wacky.

00:38:55
I'm very relaxed.

00:38:57
I have a lot of energy.

00:38:58
You put me in front of more people.

00:39:00
My energy goes up exponentially and some people can't tolerate

00:39:04
that some people like the most common constructive criticism I've

00:39:11
received throughout my career.

00:39:13
Was that I lack executive presence and I'm okay with that.

00:39:20
Some people don't like my flavor and it's important that

00:39:24
they understand what that is.

00:39:26
And so once we have those, we'll call it that first date, then it's like, okay,

00:39:30
let me put together a program or an idea of what I think could help your team.

00:39:36
Let's review it, modify it to your needs, and then, okay, let's make a decision,

00:39:42
let's pull the trigger and get to work.

00:39:44
Todd Miller: Good stuff.

00:39:44
Good stuff.

00:39:45
Well, you know, it's, uh, it's apparent that you love what you do

00:39:48
and you're very enthusiastic about it.

00:39:51
Um, where, where does that come from?

00:39:54
I mean, this desire to help others and help others be better.

00:39:58
Um, any idea, you know, what it is in you that really drives that?

00:40:02
Jesse Hernandez: 100%.

00:40:03
Yeah.

00:40:03
Um, You know, I want to be clear.

00:40:05
Like I, it kind of, it's easy to think that I'm just this altruistic, really

00:40:10
nice person that cares and everybody.

00:40:14
Okay.

00:40:15
But the best way that I've come to understand it is I am a selfish servant.

00:40:22
I am 100 percent about serving others because it keeps me sober.

00:40:27
I've wrestled with addiction for, hell, 20, at least 20, maybe 25 years.

00:40:33
Wow.

00:40:34
I've been sober now, uh, in June will be eight years.

00:40:37
I'll be celebrating, actually when the book, Becoming the Promise launched,

00:40:41
it was on my seventh year birthday of sobriety when we launched the book.

00:40:48
And so for me to serve others and contribute my gifts and talents.

00:40:53
Into their path and, and, and their awakenings keeps me sober.

00:40:59
So that's why I have so much energy is because I've been blessed with gifts

00:41:03
and talents that I can use to serve others when I suppress those life sucks.

00:41:09
And I, it starts leading me down a dangerous path when I start to share them.

00:41:16
It's awesome.

00:41:16
Todd Miller: So for you, you're getting those dopamine

00:41:19
hits now from helping others.

00:41:21
And that's a positive thing that, that, uh, drives your life.

00:41:24
I love that.

00:41:25
And yeah, I, I think that can be a missing part in recovery for a lot of

00:41:29
folks is, okay, I've got this monkey.

00:41:32
I get off, get, get off my back and I'm fighting this demon.

00:41:36
What do I replace that with?

00:41:38
And, you know, I, I've got some friends in recovery I work with, and

00:41:41
absolutely the ones who have found something positive to replace that

00:41:46
with are doing a whole lot better in their roads than, than others are.

00:41:50
So very interesting.

00:41:52
We've talked a little bit about addictions and recovery here on the show before,

00:41:56
and we've had a few episodes because it's, it's not uncommon in our industry.

00:42:01
And, uh, so it's, it's led to some great conversations.

00:42:06
Well, I'm kind of curious, what advice would you have to young folks, um, out

00:42:10
there who may be considering a career in, in this great industry we share?

00:42:14
Jesse Hernandez: I've got two, I'll say two golden nuggets, both of

00:42:19
which I did not practice, right?

00:42:22
One is learn, listen, but fundamental, like more specifically.

00:42:28
Master the current way things are being done before you start sharing

00:42:35
all your wisdom and ideas and apps and solutions and creative, creative ideas.

00:42:42
Master what's in place first, then present your idea because you have to establish a

00:42:50
body of work in order to earn credibility.

00:42:54
You can't just show up with great ideas, never having

00:42:58
done what is already in place.

00:43:01
Period.

00:43:02
The short way to say that is listen more than you talk.

00:43:05
Todd Miller: Yeah.

00:43:05
Yeah.

00:43:06
Especially early on for sure.

00:43:08
Jesse Hernandez: Right.

00:43:08
Um, so that's, that's one thing.

00:43:11
The other thing I would say getting into the trade is pick amazing people that

00:43:21
demonstrate the behaviors you aspire to forget about the money yet money's

00:43:27
important, but just spend less money.

00:43:29
You won't need to make more money.

00:43:31
That's pretty simple.

00:43:31
Okay.

00:43:32
But if you pick your leaders and find, like when you're in an interview, you're

00:43:40
not the only one being interviewed, interview that person, find out who has

00:43:45
the skillset, who has the behavior that you aspire to and do whatever you can to,

00:43:51
to be connected with those people, because that will shape your career trajectory.

00:43:58
If you chase the money, it's a distraction to following a predetermined path.

00:44:05
That is not a bad thing, but if you want real fulfillment and real growth, follow

00:44:12
the people you aspire to be, and that's going to take you on the path that that's

00:44:16
really gonna provide you sustainable meaning in terms of fulfillment.

00:44:21
And contributing back out into the world,

00:44:23
Todd Miller: man, those are both great advice.

00:44:24
And I've told this story on the show before, but, but

00:44:27
I'm going to tell it again.

00:44:28
I'll try to keep it real short, but, uh, my son, you know, did go the college

00:44:33
route and he came out of college in 2000, right in the midst of the pandemic.

00:44:37
And, you know, so he's trying to find a job in the middle of that when there

00:44:41
were no jobs and you got to experience people vying for even entry level jobs.

00:44:46
And one of the things I finally told him was I said, Go out and find yourself a

00:44:51
company and a leader you want to work for.

00:44:54
Send a letter to that leader and see what happens.

00:44:57
Four years later, he's still working for that company.

00:45:00
Um, absolutely loves it.

00:45:02
Um, loves what he does and you're right.

00:45:04
He's not chasing the money.

00:45:06
He knows he could be doing a whole lot better financially, but instead

00:45:09
he's got a gig that he enjoys and his lifestyle matches it.

00:45:13
So it's all perfect.

00:45:14
Great advice.

00:45:15
Great advice.

00:45:15
Yes.

00:45:16
Well, um, thank you so much, Jesse.

00:45:18
This has been a great, um, get together.

00:45:20
Really enjoyed learning from you.

00:45:21
We're kind of close to wrapping up, uh, what we call the business end of things.

00:45:26
Is there anything that you haven't shared yet with our audience that

00:45:29
you'd like to squeeze in here?

00:45:31
Oh, tell us a little bit about your podcast.

00:45:32
We didn't talk about that.

00:45:34
Jesse Hernandez: Oh yeah.

00:45:34
No, thank you for that.

00:45:35
So the podcast, it's called learnings and missteps.

00:45:39
Um, and I interview amazing magical people to help understand the non conventional

00:45:48
path to success that they've traveled so that other people can say, Oh, it's

00:45:54
not a straight line because it ain't.

00:45:56
Todd Miller: You are a wealth of wisdom.

00:45:57
I can not imagine how much your clients benefit just from

00:46:01
having time to spend with you.

00:46:02
It's awesome.

00:46:03
So, um, well, we are, Pretty much at the end.

00:46:06
We like to do thing something at the end of the show.

00:46:08
We call our rapid fire questions.

00:46:11
Jesse is not prepared for this.

00:46:13
This is seven questions that we would ask.

00:46:15
Maybe serious, maybe silly.

00:46:17
Um, all I asked to do is give us give us your answer.

00:46:20
Are you willing to participate in rapid fire?

00:46:23
Jesse?

00:46:23
I am.

00:46:24
Let's go.

00:46:25
Awesome.

00:46:26
Well, we will alternate asking questions if that's cool, Ryan,

00:46:29
um, I'll let you ask the first one.

00:46:31
Ryan Bell: I would love to.

00:46:32
Question number one.

00:46:34
What is the most interesting place you have ever visited?

00:46:38
Jesse Hernandez: Jesse land.

00:46:39
That's the space between my ears.

00:46:44
Ryan Bell: Is that a big space?

00:46:51
Todd Miller: A few crazy things in there.

00:46:54
Well, I have a feeling.

00:46:55
So question number two, I have a feeling I know what you're going to answer.

00:46:58
I'll ask it anyway.

00:47:00
If you could have any job in the world, what would it be?

00:47:03
Jesse Hernandez: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, that, the, the job, any job in the world

00:47:09
that I could have would be escorting people down the path of self discovery.

00:47:16
So

00:47:16
Todd Miller: it's kind of what you're doing.

00:47:17
Yeah, kind of.

00:47:20
Don't tell anybody.

00:47:21
Which is what I thought your answer would be.

00:47:24
Jesse Land, that's my, that's my job I want.

00:47:28
Ryan Bell: Question number three, what's a fun fact about yourself

00:47:31
that most people do not know?

00:47:34
Jesse Hernandez: Oh, so fun fact about me in seventh grade there

00:47:40
when Miss Evans class, there was a chivalry contest, uh, because we

00:47:44
were studying like medieval times.

00:47:47
I won the chivalry contest, not just because I was carrying ladies books and

00:47:52
opening doors and pulling out chairs, because Kind of how mom brought me up,

00:47:56
but I did study on night, like how did people back then, um, what was like

00:48:03
the rituals the squires went through when they were up for knighthood.

00:48:08
And so one of the things that they did was they'd go and they'd go to

00:48:11
the church and they'd pray and do these things and they would, um, one

00:48:17
I heard bathed in, in a tub of milk.

00:48:22
So the night before the voting was going to happen, I snuck out.

00:48:28
I went to the church, lit some candles, did some prayer, which is something I

00:48:31
never like, nobody will believe that.

00:48:33
But I did that and I got home and I filled the tub up with water.

00:48:38
And because I didn't want to get whooped by mom, I poured a little

00:48:42
bit of milk in the tub in the tub.

00:48:45
And I say, I still promised.

00:48:46
That's why I won the, the, that chivalry championship.

00:48:51
Todd Miller: Wow.

00:48:52
Well, it might be a little bit to have to do with just who you are too, Jesse.

00:48:55
I don't know.

00:48:56
You know, it's kind of interesting.

00:49:00
I think other schools do this too, but our local school system has a program called

00:49:04
guys and ties and girls and pearls where they try to teach some of those things.

00:49:09
And I just think it's awesome.

00:49:10
Okay.

00:49:13
Fourth question.

00:49:15
How long does it take you to get up and around and out

00:49:18
of the house in the morning?

00:49:19
Jesse Hernandez: My general practice, it's probably within the first 60 minutes

00:49:23
of the day that I'm out of the house.

00:49:24
Uh, and I say within the first 60 minutes, because sometimes when I

00:49:28
wake up, it's like, okay, I gotta go, I gotta go get my mileage in and,

00:49:32
and get running, get out the door.

00:49:34
Sometimes I have an idea that The whispers gave me in the middle of my dream.

00:49:39
So I need to sit down and journal about it before it evaporates and then drink my

00:49:44
coffee and then go hit, hit the trails.

00:49:47
Uh, but it's usually within the first hour, then I'm up and out.

00:49:49
Ryan Bell: Good deal.

00:49:50
Next question.

00:49:51
If you had to wear a hat every day for the rest of your life, what kind

00:49:55
of hat would you choose to wear?

00:49:57
Jesse Hernandez: Oh, man, I don't know the proper name, but you know, the, like

00:50:01
the fifties gangster Type hat or the hats that they wore during the zoot suit era.

00:50:08
It would absolutely be, I'd have an array of colors of those types of hats.

00:50:14
With feathers, feathers in

00:50:16
Ryan Bell: them.

00:50:16
I think that's a lost arts.

00:50:18
When you, when you see old pictures or videos, every guy had a hat on.

00:50:22
Todd Miller: We should bring back hats right here on construction disruption.

00:50:25
Ryan Bell: That could be a fun little twist to surprise each other

00:50:28
with a different hat every episode.

00:50:32
Todd Miller: Okay.

00:50:33
Next to last question.

00:50:35
I think this is me again.

00:50:36
Um, if you could only eat one type of dessert for the rest of your life,

00:50:40
what type of dessert would you eat?

00:50:43
Jesse Hernandez: Oh, man, that's a hard question.

00:50:46
Um, what type of dessert would I eat?

00:50:49
So my mom makes these, I don't even know the appropriate name, but they're

00:50:54
like lemon, lemon, orange meringue type.

00:50:59
I don't know.

00:51:00
Oh yeah.

00:51:01
They're dangerous.

00:51:02
Like, and by dangerous, I mean, it doesn't matter how big the bat she makes that

00:51:07
for me to bring home, they will almost all be gone before I get to my driveway.

00:51:15
They're so good.

00:51:17
Ryan Bell: Good deal.

00:51:17
Final question.

00:51:19
What is your least favorite vegetable?

00:51:21
Maybe something you just absolutely refuse to eat with resilience.

00:51:27
Jesse Hernandez: I like that.

00:51:28
Let's see.

00:51:29
My least favorite vegetable.

00:51:32
Man, I'm pretty does.

00:51:33
What's that stuff?

00:51:34
Wasabi.

00:51:35
Does that count as a vegetable?

00:51:37
Todd Miller: I don't know.

00:51:38
It might be made from a vegetable.

00:51:39
Yeah, I think that would probably radishes,

00:51:41
Jesse Hernandez: radishes,

00:51:42
Todd Miller: radishes.

00:51:44
Jesse Hernandez: Yeah, no, no, no good.

00:51:46
Todd Miller: So, so the thing I have found, if you roast radishes,

00:51:49
they actually take on a sweet taste.

00:51:51
They're pretty amazing.

00:51:53
Yeah, if you roast them, I like to roast radishes and, uh, I think I put them with

00:51:57
carrots usually, if I remember right.

00:51:59
Okay.

00:52:00
Slice them real thin and they actually, the sweet, they

00:52:03
caramelize and the sweetness.

00:52:05
Yeah, anyway, I'm way off topic here.

00:52:07
They are good though.

00:52:08
I don't like them raw though.

00:52:09
I'm with you.

00:52:10
Yeah.

00:52:11
Yeah.

00:52:11
Well, Jesse, this has been great.

00:52:13
This has been inspirational and a heck of a lot of fun too.

00:52:16
So, um, if folks want to get in touch with you or see what you're up to, um, what

00:52:21
are the ways they can most easily do that?

00:52:24
Jesse Hernandez: Yeah, the two easiest ways.

00:52:25
One is you can go to the website, depth, builder.

00:52:28
com, and you can find all the stuff that I have out there, which is

00:52:32
kind of messy, but it's what it is.

00:52:34
Um, and LinkedIn in terms of where I spend most of my time

00:52:38
on social media is LinkedIn.

00:52:40
So if you just type Jesse depth builder, um, you can find me and I'm,

00:52:45
I'm posting all the time, interacting, supporting, et cetera, and I'd love to

00:52:49
connect with, with your folks on that.

00:52:52
Todd Miller: Awesome.

00:52:52
And we will put that in the show notes as well.

00:52:55
Um, thank you again.

00:52:56
What a pleasure this has been.

00:52:59
And to let our audience know, we did all fulfill our challenge words for Ryan.

00:53:04
His was almost the very last word he said, um, resilience

00:53:09
Ryan Bell: right at the end.

00:53:11
Todd Miller: Good job.

00:53:12
And, uh, Jesse, your word was actually a phrase, Humpty

00:53:17
Jesse Hernandez: Dumpty.

00:53:17
Yes!

00:53:18
Cheers!

00:53:19
I got it!

00:53:19
Todd Miller: You worked it in well.

00:53:20
Ryan Bell: Did a great, yeah, great job sneaking that

00:53:23
Todd Miller: in.

00:53:23
I don't think anyone noticed at all.

00:53:25
Um, and my word was chewy, which I got in there.

00:53:28
I was, that was more challenging than I thought it was going to be, to be honest.

00:53:33
And I kept thinking of one, one episode we had a challenge word of, Was it chuggy?

00:53:38
Is that what it was, Ryan?

00:53:40
This word that the kids use?

00:53:42
Ryan Bell: Yeah, it was the word I put it out there.

00:53:44
I think it was chuggy or something like that.

00:53:47
Like

00:53:48
Todd Miller: old people trying to look young or something like that?

00:53:52
Trying to be hip.

00:53:53
Cool.

00:53:57
I used to think I would try to be hip and cool, but I've passed that.

00:54:02
Well, this has been great.

00:54:03
Thank you so much.

00:54:04
And I want to thank our audience to, uh, to for tuning into this very special

00:54:08
episode of construction disruption with Jesse Hernandez of depth builder.

00:54:13
Um, please watch for future episodes of our podcasts.

00:54:17
We're always blessed with great guests.

00:54:18
Just like Jesse.

00:54:19
Um, don't forget to leave a review.

00:54:21
We love to Those, um, but until the next time we're together, keep on

00:54:25
disrupting, keep on challenging, keep on looking for better ways of doing things.

00:54:29
And most importantly, as Jesse has pointed out as well, don't forget to have a

00:54:34
positive impact on everyone you encounter, make them smile, encourage them.

00:54:40
Uh, just simple yet powerful things you can do to change the world for someone.

00:54:44
So, uh, God bless and take care.

00:54:46
This is Isaiah industries signing off until the next episode

00:54:50
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00:54:53
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00:54:58
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