Greenhouse Technology and Innovation with Josh Holleb

I'm Todd Miller of Isaiah Industries, manufacturer

of specialty metal roofing and other building materials.

And today my co host is none other than Ethan Young, the chill guy

who's always fun to have on here.

How you doing, Ethan?

I'm doing pretty good, Todd.

Thanks for that.

How are you doing?

I'm doing well, also.

I'm glad to be here today and get, get this show recorded.

I've been looking forward to this one.

So once again, we are doing our challenge words where both Ethan

and I and our guest, have a.

top secret word that we have been challenged to work into

the conversation somehow.

So our audience can be listening to see if you can figure out

what our challenge words were.

And at the end of the show, we will tell you what our words were and whether we

work them into the conversation or not.

So you good to go, Mr.

Young.

I am Todd.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

So we cover a lot of ground here on Construction Disruption from design to

tech, and sometimes we dig into products.

Sometimes we look to different types of training.

In fact, we've built quite an archive of past shows, but today's show is

a topic that the more I dug into it, the more interested I became in it.

And that is the proliferation of greenhouses, grow houses, sun chambers.

Ultimately more greenhouses are beneficial to our food chain,

as well as to other things.

And today our guest is an expert in that area.

Our guest today is Josh Holleb.

Josh is the Systems Integration Specialist at Ceres Greenhouse

Solutions based in Boulder, Colorado.

And he has the full scoop for us on how these structures, work, how they are

impacting construction and our world.

Josh, welcome to Construction Disruption.

Pleasure to have you here with us today.

Thanks for having me, happy to be here.

Good deal.

So let's just dig into it.

So tell us what Ceres does.

I mean, I understand that you folks engineer, various types of

what I'll call growth structures.

But do you also supply the parts?

Do you get involved in construction?

What is the scope of work that, that Ceres does?

Yeah, we are heavily a design company, um, we do a lot of

engineering work, so we do detailed design, engineering, we also supply

materials, and then we also support in construction, so we'll ship the majority

of your building to you, and then we will help you build it, but we don't

build it, um, becoming a construction company is a whole nother level and for

really big projects we will take on a GC and manage the entire project, but

for the most part we are designing, supplying, and then aiding and guiding

So on the supply of product for the structures, I mean,

you're, are you doing some of the prefabrication or having some of

that done or what does that look

We are not a manufacturer so we are we are very

much a design engineering company.

We do a lot of R&D as well, but we do not have any like on the ground, you know,

rigid manufacturing Um, A it's expensive to get into and B kind of it it kind of

put you on a path that you can't really get off of if you own a certain kind

of manufacturing type of manufacturing.

So we have a bunch of manufacturing partners, but it

allows us to be really fluid.

So things change we can find a new partner.

And so that's been pretty great for us

That probably allows you to be sort of regionalized, too,

based upon your various manufacturing

you'd be, you'd be surprised.

Um, but yes, it does.

Um, if we're doing a West Coast project, have, uh, manufacturers closer to West

Coast versus an East Coast project.

So you save some in shipping costs, but it's, it's minor.

So I'm curious I mean a lot of our audience members are

folks in construction and I mean some design but a lot of construction.

Is there any way for them to even get involved with some of your

structures as you erectors or builders or what does that look like?

Yeah, um, we have a ongoing list that's constantly

growing of local erectors.

Um, smaller projects can be just any general contractor, larger projects

we look for steel specific builders.

Um, but we're using light or heavy gauge steel framing, um, sandwich

panel, insulated metal panels, you know, we basically, when we designed

our product, we looked for what was available and what people knew how to

build as well as what works for our need.

So I, I, I, I was a general contractor residential for a decade.

And so I very much in the mindset of not only is this a cool design, but is it

buildable and is it efficient to build?

Because sometimes in design, you know, building is a secondary thought.

Yeah, that happens sometimes.

You're right.

Sometimes you get a little carried away with the design and,

oh, this isn't too practical.

So, so oftentimes our, our buildings, you know, sometimes we were

like, can I, can we make it a little more custom or appealing, and we can,

but it's not, it's not uh, main focus.

The function, the focus is efficiency, effectiveness, and, and

ease of building and maintaining.

Yeah, love it.

So, Ceres, who your company is named after, was, I had to

look this up, I confess, was a Roman goddess of agriculture.

And, you know, that was chosen for your company name.

I'm kind of curious, how does having that as your company name kind

of impact, the overall ethos or philosophy and culture of your company?

I think if anything, it puts it in perspective.

Um, all we're doing here is trying to help grow food and people have been

doing that for a really long time.

And so, you know, hopefully we're just kicking the ball down

the road a little bit farther.

And hopefully the ball rolls a little bit better because we're efficiency minded.

Um, but really we're just part of a much bigger story of how

we get food to the people.

That's cool.

And something most of us don't think about very often, that's for sure.

If I could chime in here too a ceres is actually

where we get the word cereal.

That's right.

Oh,

Yeah that's another little tie in there for you.

Gosh, you're teaching me all kinds of things.

I thought we got serial from serial killer, but, you know,

I don't know, maybe not.

I

So I believe Josh, you were the company's second

employee after the founder.

I'm kind of curious.

I mean, that was 12 years ago.

What sort of growth and change have you seen and is the company on the

path that you envisioned 12 years ago, or did it have to change some?

Cause I know sometimes businesses are that way.

Yeah, it was, it was, it was just two of us.

Um, my partner and the founder, he's a PhD chemical engineer.

Um, he's a really, you know, a brilliant guy and an amazing guy.

Um, and that, and that's kind of what brought me in, but I was pretty

deep into growing in greenhouses at the time when I met him, but I had

a completely different skillset.

And so I said, you know, I can do things that you're not doing.

You're coming up with all these great ideas.

I can build and do practical things.

And I know plants.

And we worked together, you know, in the home office at his house, I was

just with his family for several years.

Um, and now, you know, we've been up to 30 something people.

We're at 25 or 28 employees right now.

So it's quite different in the day to day, but we started doing little

greenhouses in people's backyards.

They slowly got bigger.

Cannabis legalized.

I, through building, had some experience in cannabis because I was helping

people build facilities for cannabis.

So we never really saw that coming, but but now where we're at is

finally we've designed our kit house.

We have a, we have a residential kit house.

Um, that was always part of the goal 8 years ago, but we couldn't

do it then and we can do it now.

So the path, while bumpy and weird kind of is going where we thought

it was going to go, but we're also doing some really large projects.

We've done big canvas projects.

We're doing really large, ag projects now that we never saw coming.

And so the progression of our work has been very cool.

So some, what we expected and some, not so much.

So I'm curious, what sort of geographic

footprint have you served so far?

Are you shipping product and working with structures all

over or what's that look like?

Yeah, I mean, you know, we're Colorado based, our

first few projects were in Colorado.

Our product works really well in northern climates, and so we basically we've

built in all over the United States.

We've built, in Canada, a fair amount, we're doing commercial

lettuce grows in Canada.

We can grow year round lettuce, no problem, locally in Canada.

We've got some greenhouses in Alaska.

We're now working on, projects in Portugal and Greece.

We have some of our systems that we've engineered are in Bahrain,

And now we're starting more and more, to work in climates like in

the Middle East, Kuwait currently.

You know, like, like a like a camel, our greenhouses can be sealed and reuse

their own water for a very long time.

So with really minimal input they can go a really long distance.

And so that that works well in the Middle East.

We also have cool new glazing technology that we're using that

can passively cool a greenhouse.

So we're designing for hotter and hotter temperatures based on what the

environment is doing, and in places like the Middle East where they need

food, but they can't really grow it.

We can recirculate water and reduce heat with, you know, no energy inputs.

And so we're starting to see our, our market change and expand

in, in pretty interesting ways.

So tell us a little bit about the glazing technology, the glazing

that you're using, because I understand that kind of differentiates you from

a lot of your, of your competition.

Yeah.

a lot of greenhouse manufacturers, especially in the, in the U S

use a polycarbonate, which is, which, which degrades with UV.

So that usually has a UV blocker on the outside.

which allows the polycarbonate to last a long time, but it, it takes away the

UV, which is actually something that is a stressor for pests and pathogens.

And so it's good to let it into the greenhouse.

Plants live outside and they use UV.

it's a stressor and it's oftentimes a positive stressor, stressor for them, but

it limits mildews and bugs and things.

So we've, we've strayed from the polycarbonate in our higher

productivity greenhouses.

we have an acrylic glazing that we use.

It's, UV transmissive.

And now we have an ETFE film, which, is we import it.

And it is, it is a ethyl fluoride, don't even get me started on what it is, but

it's a, it's a tensioned film, that allows light and UV to pass through it very well.

And now we're starting to add added technologies onto it where we can infrared

block or infrared absorb, so we can still get the light in, but not the heat.

And so we're starting to use that, in single and multi layer which is a real

leap in greenhouse glazing technology.

They use it in Europe somewhat, but we've been pushing it a little bit

harder here because we have more extreme weather events than they do in Europe.

Pretty amazing stuff.

Absolutely.

I'm curious, the end use of your greenhouses.

I mean, food, cannabis, you mentioned the at home kit,

which I want to hear more about.

How does your business typically break down as far as what

those end uses look like?

Yeah, you know, per project, it's, it's probably

predominantly residential, small commercial, on a number of basis.

A lot of people just want to grow food and, you know, especially during COVID,

it was kind of wild, but, but we do a lot of smaller greenhouses, you know,

we have small kits, 18 foot by 30 foot, you know, which for a backyard is

pretty significant, but in the scheme of things, it's small, A lot of 3,

000 square foot, single greenhouses for small commercial growers who are

kind of feeding their community in places where there's not great food,

Revenue wise, you know, it's, a single big project puts all those to shame.

We have large ag projects, all over the U.

S.

And, and we have a bunch of big cannabis projects all over the U.

S.

Our, our cannabis growers are in Massachusetts, they're in Maine, they're,

they're all over the place, places where you wouldn't be able to grow in

a greenhouse year round and they're just cranking out product year round.

Interesting.

Well, tell us a little bit more.

You mentioned earlier that you have a, you know, a home kit.

I think you called it, you know, where it's a house with a greenhouse.

Tell us a little bit what that looks like and who, who is attracted to that?

Yeah, well, so it's, it's a, well, it doesn't feel new to

me, but it's a new product for us.

We've been working on it for a few years when we had time.

It's called Vesta, which is the goddess of hearth and home.

We got a theme here.

And it's, it's a passive inspired house, with an attached greenhouse.

I don't know if you guys know what an earthship is, it

might be more of a west thing.

But, an earthship is a design that came out of New Mexico.

It's rammed earth into tires, and you know, it's this whole crazy thing.

And it's cheap to build, but it takes years.

But it has an attached greenhouse, it heats it, and it stays cool, and all this.

So, our mindset was, how do we take what we have, steel frame, and Insulated

panels, same supplier, same supply chain that we're using every day for

our greenhouses and change the shape.

So it's passive, passive style house.

We have appropriate overhangs for shading in the summer on the south

facing windows, but allows heat and warmth in, in the winter, attached

greenhouse that will heat it in the winter and allows you to grow food.

And, we've built one and it's amazing.

It's just about done.

And, you know, you learn a lot when you build the first one, but we did pretty

good considering the clients happy.

We're happy.

And now we make some tweaks.

We're about to build the 2nd 1.

But it's a cool remedy for, excessive housing costs and construction

is just very expensive right now.

And so this, the kit is relatively cheap.

It's pre engineered and it's fast to build.

I mean, we are dried in shell of a house in 3 weeks.

Probably.

Yeah.

And it's super efficient.

So once it's built, you're off, you know, you're, you're going

to have small bills, if any bills for the duration of the house.

And it's a steel house.

So we assume 50, 100 year house.

So it's a cool experiment that we're just learning about.

Well, I love it.

I mean, I saw it on your website too.

And, you know, I'm thinking home sweet home.

I mean, that's, that's, it's a great concept.

So another thing I heard you say on a podcast that really interested me

or, or, you know, struck me was that commercially grown food typically

travels 1500 miles from where it's grown to where it's consumed.

And, that, that was just pretty staggering for me.

And I know in some cases, it's probably 4 or 5 thousand miles if it's coming

out of South America or something.

But, what do you see as problems with food having to travel that far?

And why does more local growing make sense to you personally and as a business?

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's kind of endless.

I get to do a lot of traveling.

And I've seen it, you know, I've been in Yuma, Arizona in the winter where

all the lettuce comes from all winter.

And it's crazy to see it, but then that lettuce has to move.

so a, you know, we see it with COVID.

We've seen it, you know, if there's a natural disaster, what

if the lettuce can't get there?

Then you don't have lettuce.

You know, it's like, you're just a little bit helpless.

The same goes for tomatoes or something that are coming out of Mexico.

they're harvested early.

They're not so good.

I'm huge advocate for eating with the seasons.

So maybe we shouldn't be eating tomatoes in the middle of winter, but

we can, and we can do it by growing them closer to home, in greenhouses.

And so I, I've got, I've just, I have local growers, like I

was just in, outside of Madison, Wisconsin, small farm, organic farm.

She grows lettuce all winter and sells to restaurants, the chefs love her.

I mean, she's the only one producing it, and she doesn't heat the greenhouse, and

she doesn't add lights to the greenhouse.

She could grow more faster if she did this, more inputs, but she doesn't

and she's still able to do it.

And, and, you know, when the chefs are like, I want your lettuce, you

know, you're doing something right.

and then the other thing that like, it's harder to quantify is nutrition.

I mean, food matters and food matters because we like the way it

tastes, but it fuels our bodies.

And, uh, early harvested tomato out of Mexico is less nutritious

than a, you know, fully ripened on the vine tomato that you got from

15 miles away from the local farm.

And at some point, you know, food is medicine and, and we're going to have to

start realizing that and and where the food comes from and how long it takes

to get to you really is going to matter.

Wow.

Well, well you also talk a lot, and I think this kinda leads into that,

this sense of community that can happen when food is grown locally.

And, and I know you even have a couple of videos where, people who've bought

the greenhouses talk about how that that community has sprung up around it.

Can you expand a little bit on that, you know, what, what that sense of

community means or how that happens?

Yeah, I mean, people want to, people are curious about where their

food comes from and when they can go see it, it's very cool for everybody.

I mean, we see it more and more now, with schools.

So we do a lot of like, a lot of elementary schools, high schools.

We're actually in Boulder building a new greenhouse at the main community garden

site, which is absolutely the coolest for us because, people garden there.

They have their little, you know, whatever 10 foot by 10 foot community

garden plots and now they can see this next level of gardening and

it's just really about education.

And so we've learned that like when the kids are in the greenhouses.

It truly is a different world, but they are focused.

They are excited about what they're doing, and it's amazing to see it.

So you talked about some of the benefits of just kind

of introducing people to growing and growing in greenhouses and stuff.

What's kind of the comparison from using a greenhouse garden from just typical,

like outdoor growing, like you're talking about, like community garden plot.

I'm personally a huge advocate of having outside

garden growing food outside.

You know, in most parts of the US and most parts of the world were season

seasonally limited to when we can grow outside and what we can grow outside.

And so what we can do with the greenhouse, because these are built

environments is we can, depending on how many systems we're putting into

each greenhouse, some have very few, some have a lot, we can really control

the environment to a certain extent.

So, in a, in a place that's too hot, we can cool it down potentially

to grow lettuce where you normally wouldn't be able to grow lettuce.

You can't grow lettuce in Yuma, Arizona in July, but you can in January.

and so it's not greenhouse better than outdoor.

You know, what we see mostly with outdoor is we are not a soil focused culture.

Soil health is, is food health.

We grow at such large scale that we're really depleting this soil and then we

spray it with stuff to make it grow again.

And so it's a whole cycle and it's a whole other conversation.

But to be able to supplement with, your own little greenhouse or community

greenhouse, is, is a really nice way to diversify where your food comes from.

I want to talk a little bit more about the construction

and we, you know, we mentioned because we work with a lot of guys

who do metal work and so forth.

So, you know, what's that learning curve for someone to build a greenhouse

that's never built one before that, you know, is typically using two by

fours and, all that type of stuff.

I mean, can they pick up on this fairly quickly?

Yeah, it's, it's pretty straightforward.

I would, I would actually say it's easier than traditional construction.

For the most part, we're using a 14 gauge steel frame that goes

together with bolts or tech screws.

It's pretty straightforward.

Sandwich panel is a screwed on sandwich panel.

It's caulk and panels.

when you put up a sandwich panel, the interior is finished, the installation

is done, the exterior is finished.

It's, it's pretty awesome.

The roof of our greenhouses, That's not glazing.

Same deal.

It's interior is finished with metal.

The insulation's on and your metal roof is installed, all

with a single panel placement.

So that's easy.

The unique part is usually the glazing installation.

That's where a contractor is usually like, I've never done this before.

And, and we have detailed drawings and we have architects on staff.

We've been doing this for long enough where we're learning

what they need to see.

And then we walk everyone through the process as well.

So in general for construction, it's pretty straightforward.

Water in, power in, build the shell, install the systems.

For construction, it's pretty easy.

It's never easy.

Like boots on the ground.

It's never easy, but for construction it's relatively easy.

That's good stuff.

Well, are there any trends that you're seeing or potential

changes on the horizon?

I mean, I'm not even sure what this might relate to, but things that you see are

going to impact the greenhouse industry.

I mean, obviously, cannabis has been a huge impact.

Anything else that you're seeing having an impact?

Yeah.

I mean, cannabis was interesting because it was a bunch of money.

quickly, which isn't normal for greenhouse design.

And so we got to push some technologies and we learned a lot.

And now we get to spread those technologies to other, to other areas.

Cannabis has really fallen off from where it was, you know, five, six years

ago, as far as how busy it makes us.

I think the most exciting thing right now is, is the glazing technologies.

We've got some glazings, you know, plants look green because

they reflect green light.

It's the one light, light spectrum they don't really use.

We have glazings that can turn green light into red light.

You know, make, you know, it's nanotechnology.

It's in the in the glazing.

It can change the light spectrum.

Mostly that what we're excited about is the infrared blocking

or absorbing technologies.

Greenhouses overheat.

That is just a thing.

No matter what in Colorado we get, we need to cool in the middle of the

winter when the sun's out when we can deploy a glazing material that will

block infrared and especially block it only when we want it to block it.

We can cool a greenhouse without any mechanical systems at all,

which is a huge energy saver.

And our goal is efficiency in growing.

And so these are the things I think that we're most excited about.

I'm curious, are there any particular colleges or universities

out there that seem to be on the leading edge of, you know, building

science technology in terms of glazing?

Well, CEA is a term controlled environment agriculture,

that's kind of a driver in this field.

The University of Arizona has a, has a Biosphere.

They have a really cool CEA program.

And I believe Ohio State University is also doing a lot

of really cool work with CEA.

And then we're just this little family run organization that's

cranking things out on our own.

Not, I'm not comparing us to these huge universities by any means.

We are a little, we are pretty globally connected, for a commercial business.

And so we are able to go around the world and find technologies and then,

and then help to make them commercial, which we found to be successful for us.

And it, you know, just because we're curious, it keeps us on the

cutting edge of what's going on.

Yeah, and I love that because you guys have that ingenuity

and that, you know, drive to, to learn things and to go out and find them.

I know that as I look at building science, you know, I'll see

certain universities just really also have kind of that passion.

So, thank you for mentioning a couple and that's cool.

So, if we had younger folks out there who are intrigued about, You

know, the greenhouse industry, what advice would you have for them?

I mean, you know, think of, think of them as you 12 years ago.

What, what advice would you have for them today?

I think it's twofold.

the first is to learn plants.

You know, in the end, this is all about plants.

And so we think so much about the built environment that

we're designing and creating.

But if you understand what the plants need, you can build a pretty

cool building for the plants.

The other thing is, is to study it.

I think had I known that there's an amazing, CEA program at the University of

Arizona, I probably would have made a few different life choices, on my, on my path.

or send us an email.

We have interns all the time who come work for us and then turn into employees.

So if it's something that you're interested in, then I think follow that

passion, whether it's through the work or studying buildings or studying the plants.

so It's been great talking with you, Josh.

It's been very informative.

We're close to wrapping up kind of what we call the business end of things.

Is there anything we haven't covered today that you wanted to

be sure to share with our audience?

You know, I, I mentioned earlier that we do a lot of design and,

and I think I just want to reiterate, I probably in building, but definitely in,

in the building that we do, Doing the design 1st, before a shovel touches the

ground is so important for the building to function the way that you want it to.

So we're really design focused because we often see people who

are halfway through a project or maybe almost done with a project.

It's too hot.

It's too cold.

It's not doing the thing that we want to do, but they're too late.

And so we really try to encourage just like, take the time, do the

research, design it appropriately, try not to skimp if you, if you can.

And, and make sure the thing you're going to try and do works the way

you want it to, because in the end, we want the buildings to work the

way you want the buildings to work.

I love that, and that's part of our advice, too, is figure out

what it is you want to accomplish, and then kind of back that into whatever

design or products or whatever it is you need to accomplish that, but

you set, set those criteria first.

I love that.

So, Josh, again, that's been great.

Before we close out, I do want to ask you if you'd like to participate in something

we call our rapid fire questions.

So these are 7 questions.

Some may be a little silly.

Some are more serious.

So, all you have to do is give a quick response to them.

Are you up to the challenge of rapid fire.

Yes, I'm ready.

Cool.

We will, trade off asking questions.

Ethan, you want to ask the first question?

Yeah.

I can do this one.

This is kind of for a fortuitous one, but what's your favorite vegetable?

carrot.

Carrot.

That's interesting.

I like, I like roasted carrots.

We enjoy roasting them.

That's

Yeah, I had to go through, I had to think fruit

and vegetable there for a second.

I like carrots.

We roast carrots with radishes, actually, and the

radishes take on a real sweet taste.

pretty cool.

Okay, next question.

Cat or dog person?

definitely dog.

Dog person.

That's our most common answer.

question three.

Do you have a pet peeve you can share with us?

Bad audio.

I hope I sound okay.

You

that sounds pretty

good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, you do.

That's funny, because, Ryan, who does our production, that's, that's

one of his biggest pet peeves, too.

I shoot a lot of videos on my iPhone,

yeah,

but I have a audio setup.

So at least it sounds okay.

Even if it doesn't look great.

good for you.

Well, you're a man after Ryan's heart for sure.

Um, what do you enjoy most about your work and, you know, about

what you're doing in your career?

it's food focused in the unhealthy food focused.

which is cool.

I've done this longer than I've done anything else and it's still

exciting somehow so I'm on the right, you know 13 years later.

I'm on the right track.

That's cool.

You think of the lives that you're impacting.

I love that.

All right.

Oh, this is a classic question for us.

If you had to eat a crayon, what color of crayon would you choose?

Ooh, I mean do you go by your favorite color or what

you think would taste the best?

I guess i'm just gonna go I'm going to go blue because it's kind

of my color and maybe it tastes like a blueberry or something.

Nice.

Yeah.

We've heard all sorts of reasoning for this one.

Yes.

A lot of people say white because it won't show up on their teeth as bad

know, appearance isn't my thing.

So I didn't even go there.

Next to last question.

How long does it take you to get up around and out of the house in the morning?

Of course, right now, I think your house may be traveling with

you a little bit, but, how long does that take you in the morning?

Yeah.

I have a two year old now, so it's a little slower

That changes things.

but I can be pretty fast.

I mean, I can just make a coffee and be out the door.

So it could be 10 minutes,

Wow.

That's fast.

I, I found as I get older, it takes me longer.

I guess I'm just slower.

I don't know.

Your

but I don't, you know, I, what I do now is I just wake

up earlier and take my time and I still leave at the same time.

good deal

All right.

Last one.

what has been a new product or service you've purchased recently?

That was like a game changer for you.

I mean.

I hate to promote this, Starlink Satellite Internet, assuming this interview is

going okay, has been a total game changer.

We've been on the road for two months, visiting clients all over the

country, having some life experiences, and I can work the entire time,

basically flawlessly, because of it.

I always love it.

When someone in their community sees the Starlink satellite go over

for the first time at night and they're like, we're being taken over.

What is that all about?

Yeah, don't worry.

It's just Starlink.

It's good.

Well, I don't know if we don't, I don't know if you need

to worry or not worry, but I do know that on the day to day, it allows

me to have internet in weird places.

Cool.

Well, thank you again, Josh.

This has been great.

for folks who may want to get in touch with you or learn more

about, Ceres Greenhouse Solutions, how can they most easily do that?

Yeah, our, our web address is www.

ceresgs, that's C E R E S G S dot com.

Ton of information on that website.

And again, we're a small company, so just send an email through the website

and it will either get to me or the person who can best answer your question.

Yeah, you guys got some great content out there

and I love some of your videos.

They're, they're very inspirational.

Good stuff.

Thank you.

Well, okay.

I think we all made it through our challenge words.

Ethan, your word was

Mine was fortuitous and I kind of waited a while, but

I think I had an all right spot.

got it in there.

I

should have switched up the order of the questions.

That would have thrown you,

Josh, your word was

Camel.

camel.

You worked it in there.

Well,

Very good.

And I had home sweet home, which I worked in there.

It was great.

Seamless.

well, thank you again.

Um, Josh has been great

Yep.

Thank you guys.

That was fun.

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