Eco-Friendly Building Materials with Robert Bedard and Dylan Tinker

I'm Todd Miller, of Isaiah Industries manufacturer of specialty metal

roofing and other building materials.

Today, my co host here on Construction Disruption is Ryan Bell.

Ryan, how's today going for you?

Hey Todd.

So far so good.

How are you?

I'm doing well, you know, um.

By the time this show airs, hopefully we will know who our next president

is here in the United States.

Um, I'm pretty tired of political ads right now.

Um, but this will probably air just about the time of the

election or shortly thereafter, so.

Thanks a lot.

Uh, everyone will be in the future knowing what happened.

Well, shall we dive in today's show?

I'm excited.

Yeah, let's do it.

Let's get started.

Well, our guests today are Robert Bedard and Dylan Tinker.

Together, they are the visionaries and co founders of Moxie OID.

Today, Robert serves as CEO and Dylan is the chief, chief financial officer.

Moxie OID is the developer and manufacturer of a disruptive and

innovative material that, um, being produced with low energy

converts sustainable forestry and agricultural fibers into a wide range

of engineered wood products based on an inorganic, uh, Based on an

inorganic polymer matrix composite.

That is a lot of words.

Well the best way that I know to kind of try to rephrase and boil that down

is that they produce a very sustainable material called Cerlos that replaces

wood and and even ceramic type products.

But does not have the negative characteristics of some of

those materials, such as rot or cracking and breaking.

And yet it's a very sustainable material.

Resilient in all weather conditions, while also easy to work with and

resistant to fire, mold, insects, and even water, this super material could be

the siding, roofing, even the structural material of your buildings tomorrow.

Uh, Robert and Dylan, welcome to Construction Disruption.

We look forward to learning all about Cerlos today.

Well, thank you very much.

It's a real pleasure to be on your show this morning.

And with that type of an introduction, um, you know, it's a bit overwhelming

and hopefully we can break it down and make it a little bit more simplified.

So everybody can truly understand how Sirloaf's could be a real positive

addition to their homes and us going forward with our environment.

So thanks again for your consideration of having us on the show.

Very cool.

I've spent some time on your website and I am certainly

intrigued and anxious to learn more.

Um, so, um, With both of you on here.

I want to make sure you both have equal time to talk But i'm kind of

curious just to first know a little bit about both of yourselves and um

What your history is and what came what caused you to come up with Cerlos?

Yeah, great.

Hey, thank you again.

Uh, yeah, I've been a serial entrepreneur all of my life.

Um, you know, come from Vancouver, uh, Canada.

Uh, there I started working with, uh, with banks in Canada, a new

bank, and we built the bank across Canada and sold that and exited it.

And from that, uh, again, being a serial entrepreneur, uh, started developing,

uh, CRM and SAS, uh, for the general insurance industry long before those

were ever, uh, acronyms and, and on exiting that, I bumped into a gentleman

in the late 80s who claimed that he Develop the wood that didn't burn.

Well, that was really a challenge to an entrepreneur and I really had to dive

in deep and certainly, uh, from the late eighties, uh, and through the nineties

and do today, I've dedicated both time and money, uh, in the development of this

particular material to where we are today in the position to commercialize it.

Very interesting.

Well Dylan, tell us a little bit about yourself and how you

came to be where you are today

Thanks.

So, uh, my journey started, uh, farther away.

I've been in Asia.

Uh, I was in Asia for about 20 years in investment banking and hedge funds.

And, um, and, and I met Robert when he was going through raising capital

and I quickly realized that it was a very innovative, amazing project

that I wanted to be involved in.

So I've been helping out on the finance side, coordinating that for the last

five years, and it's been a great road.

We now have institutional capital in the company.

Recently, At One Ventures has invested, and they're one of the top climate tech

venture capital firms in, uh, in the U.

S.

Yeah, so it's been great working with, uh, with Dylan.

Of course, being an entrepreneur, I'm always the gas, right?

So 1 of the reasons why I wanted to make sure that Dylan was also on the call.

And thanks today is is to make sure that, um, you know, the breaks are

always with us to finance, right?

Because the last thing I need him to do is get his knickers to not.

Well, we will do our best to keep our knickers

unknotted and move forward, but I think we're all interested now.

So tell us what, what is the product, tell us a little bit about it, how

it's produced, what we end up with in the end and how it can be used.

Yeah, you bet.

So our product, what we've done is we are the first to really

produce a a mass market material.

It is a brand new material and what we are doing is we are mineralizing biomass and

and so really what that is, is whether it be scrap fiber from the forest industry or

scrap fiber from the agricultural industry through a very proprietary process.

We are actually mineralizing That fiber, and when we mineralize that

fiber, we do a number of things is we densify the fiber, we actually sequester

the CO2 in that fiber permanently, which of course gives us an extremely

environmentally strong position.

And from that we end up with an end product that by science is kind of

what you would consider a cold ceramic.

So a ceramic has longevity, has water stability, has fire resistance, a

whole host of very positive attributes.

The challenge is, is it's normally brittle and can break easy, but because we're

stuffed with fiber, we've mineralized up to 75, 80 percent by volume in that.

Panel of fiber, we work like wood, so you use standard carpentry tools, yet

you have the performance of of a stone.

So somewhat like the difference between a tree and a petrified tree.

We manage how hard it gets.

And that's how we have this performance product.

Very interesting.

So when you say scrap fibers, I'm assuming that that would be like

from other people's production of something and you're getting the scrap.

You're not going out into fields and picking up fiber and pieces

and perhaps pick up a skunk or possum or something along the way.

I take it.

Yeah, we certainly don't do that.

So we, you know, of course, it's a mass produced product.

So we need large volumes.

So certainly we would, in many cases, take the residues from a lot of the

forest industry, whether it be at their facilities and or, and basically what

we can do is clean up the forest floors.

So we can take all of the material that's on the bottom, the forest

floors, take that wildfire fuel away and convert it into a sustainable,

you know, Building material that produces a fire resistant water stable,

uh, environment for the homeowner.

Very good.

So what is your process of commercializing Cerlos and bringing it to market?

Are you folks producing end products yourself or are you providing more raw

materials and licensing people for the products or what does that look like?

That's a great question, Dylan.

Um, do you want to address our strategy?

Sure.

So we have, um, if you look at our material, it's really the

first mass market green material that will be on the market.

We will be, we will cost, um, comparative to maybe an OSB or a plywood, same

with fiber cement, probably a little bit less than, um, existing materials.

So the building material sector in the U.

S.

is, Is enormous, right?

It's 450 billion.

And if you look at siding, roofing panels and decking

those four sectors, 450 billion.

So we can't address all of it, but with our own manufacturing facilities.

So what we've decided to do is to license our technology to some of the

leaders in each field to the leaders in roofing to the leaders and panels.

Um, and to the.

Leaders and deckings and structural integrated panels.

Um, and then keeping one sector for ourselves, which will be roofing

outside, which will be home siding.

So home siding, we'll make ourselves in some markets and we may license

and other markets, but the.

Largest reach that we will have will be through our licensing activity, so

you will see our brand, um, Cerlos, but you may see it in conjunction with

very familiar names that you will see at Home Depot and other places, and

there will be an educational component to this, um, consumers will learn a

lot of the benefits, um, but it will be sold, um, and manufactured through

some of the largest players in the sector who we're now negotiating with.

I'm curious, what, how does the weight of Cerlose compared to,

you know, wood or, or other materials that may replace, is it similar or,

Yeah, so a great question.

And yes, it is similar.

The beauty of the of the new material is it is a platform technology.

So, it's not just of 1 density or 1 thickness or 1 performance

characteristic, each characteristic, whether it be cosmetic or structural

as well as density is all variable through our platform technology.

So, the beauty is, is we can we can really fit.

Almost every, uh, void in the, in the, uh, building material industry today.

wow, I mean, this sounds fascinating, the more I hear, the more

I want to know, um, I'm, I'm kind of curious, I mean, what sorts of, I assume

you've done some advanced weatherization testing and different things to try to

predict the performance of the product or, you know, what does that look like from

a long term and performance standpoint?

Yeah, so I mean, kind of the good news and the bad news with us is

we're probably one of the oldest startups you've ever had on on online here.

We've, we have been developing this technology for about 25 years.

And so we even have materials that have been out there for 25 years, and

they have shown no weather whatsoever.

Actually, 1 of our centers and development centers is in the Netherlands.

And it's there for a variety of reasons and one is they are

certainly the leaders in many ways in building materials, but they're

also very environmentally conscious.

And so back in the 90s, very late 90s, we put some of these

out kind of as garden gnomes.

And, um, they have been there since that, and they still have the same

color, uh, same shape, absolutely everything since the nineties.

And the Netherlands has, it's almost like a rainforest, you know, and it has cold

winters, hot summers, and a lot of rain.

So, uh, the performance is spectacular and we have had independent.

Uh, studies done as well, of course, freeze, thaw, and things of that nature.

So the color of the product is, I guess, what we call

a color through product then?

Um, it's not just a color coding or something on it.

Absolutely, it could be a through color.

So we, uh, with ours, we can, it's a natural product.

The ingredients are natural.

There's no, uh, really man made molecules in there.

We can use natural, uh, minerals for dye, so we can have a

complete, uh, through color.

But as well, it's important to note that the product is pH neutral.

So being pH neutral, you can use just any old standard paint, and if you want

to have it be fluorescent or whatever you want to do, being pH neutral,

it's very, very, very easy to paint.

Are there any challenges you anticipate bringing these

products to market, such as perhaps from building codes or such things?

Yeah, so I mean, so far our challenge has been

too good to be true, right?

And of course, as I can see within your faces, as we have an opportunity

to discuss some of the really positive attributes of the product, yet we're

able to put it out at a low cost and still be environmentally friendly.

The biggest challenge that we have faced to date is, is

probably too good to be true.

But having said that, When it comes to the codes, we believe with the

platform technology, and that's what we're currently doing right now with

some of these largest building material manufacturers globally, is we are

tailoring the product right now to the specific needs that they need to meet and

achieve all of the building codes that would be required for the application

of the product in their sector.

So, so far to date, we have not failed any of these product codes

and we don't anticipate that as well.

Well, and in most cases, those are going to be performance based

codes, not necessarily just prescriptive.

And so, because they are performance based, if you perform,

then you're going to not going to, will not have any problems.

Makes sense.

Absolutely.

How, you know, it, it still feels a lot like, and, you know,

of course, our company has been in the construction industry a number of

years as well, uh, dating back to 1980.

And, you know, we've always kind of been a little bit disruptive also, even though

metal roofing has been around, um, a lot of time, we do some unique things with it.

And, uh, and we find that, you know, there can be challenges.

This can be a tough industry, um, kind of set in its ways

and not real quick to change.

Um, how, any thoughts on how you overcome that, or you just

one bite at a time, I guess.

Yeah, it really is one bite at a time and we're very respectful

of the industry and the fact that it really doesn't move that quickly and

adopt that quickly, but we do think that we're certainly in a time now

where we have to start making some changes, you know, environmentally,

we have to start making some changes.

In the performance, we have to start making some changes as our

climate changes, our stresses change.

And certainly all of the panel producers are looking for products that are that.

Won't burn and certainly in flood areas, we're looking for products that

won't deteriorate with water pressures and nothing against metal roofing.

But of course, if you're in hail areas, it can be a challenge.

And so if you take some of the positive, all of the positive

attributes of what we have today.

At a price point is probably going to be equal to or less than the

existing products that are out there.

We think adoption will be relatively rapid.

Yeah, no, it sounds like you got a lot of positives going for you.

Very cool.

Any thoughts as far as whether service might be more inclined to be used in

residential buildings or commercial industrial or do you not really

see any difference between this?

Well, we, we really don't see a lot of difference between the 2.

1 of the areas that we certainly do believe that will be quite a large

adoption in industrial and commercial as well is in the structural insulated panel.

We see that market sector growing considerably.

We can produce a very good, uh, structural insulated panel.

The panels for it, you know, water stability, fire resistance, a whole

host of attributes that will make these panels very adoptable globally.

Right.

And so because making our product, uh, can use scrap fiber anywhere in the world.

We're not sugar sensitive, so we do not care what the fiber comes from.

Uh, we can be adopted globally and we can meet all of these challenges

globally at a very competitive price.

Well, I love that hearing that with insulated

panels or structural panels.

I've been a big fan of that construction for a lot of years,

but yet one of the downfalls can be if moisture gets into those panels

and you got a big problem real fast.

Um, so that that is a very interesting need, I think.

So, um, you mentioned to, you know, the garden domes, any other projects

or anything you can point out to out there of where the product

is, or the material has been used.

Well, I think Dylan, you made a white picket

fence out of it, didn't you?

Yeah, we created a bunch of household small miniatures for fire

testing that all worked pretty well.

But to go back to your Um, structural integrated panels.

These, the SIPs are basically, for the audience, are pre made walls.

And, you know, these pre made walls is a, is an easier construction technique than,

you know, traditional, um, stick built.

Um, and as you mentioned, one of the main problems for this is really the, uh,

moisture, um, absorption and the majority of these SIPs are built with OSB or

plywood on either side or sometimes metal.

But to transport well, it should be some kind of a wood composite

on the outside, kind of the skin between the pre built wall.

One of the things that we provide is the ability to use our

material for the skin and even the insulation interior part as well.

But for the skin, it's quite unique because we, we are, uh,

do have fire resistance and, um, and water resistance as well.

So that's very unique and our products could really fit like hand in glove

into the, um, into the SIP market and could help revolutionize that business

and kind of bring it into the U.

S.

So we're really excited, um, with the focus on low cost housing, pre built

walls, um, our ability to use our product in these SIPs, um, is a good

boon for us, um, as well as the industry.

Right now, when you build these SIPs with OSB or plywood, You know, you have to code

it on site, then you need another layer of probably fiber cement or something.

Um, with us, that one layer can be basically the same as three layers.

The, the sip layer, the water, maybe the water prevention

layer, and the fiber cement.

So, can knock down a number of things.

Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

And yeah, you're right.

That can also be a great answer to our housing shortage.

Um, being able to construct buildings so much faster that way as well.

So, um, I love it.

Well, gosh, I, I, I'm getting just as optimistic about the future of

Cerlos as you guys obviously are.

Um, kind of tell us a little bit though, what your vision might be

of, of the future and, you know, how this, uh, hopefully will all play out.

Yeah, well, we certainly, uh, we are just on the cusp of, of,

uh, converting from, uh, research and development into commercialization

and, and certainly as, as we are discussing, we are in discussions with,

uh, a number of the largest building material manufacturers, uh, globally.

And we are currently under an MOU to build our own.

Manufacturing facility for citing.

So we see a rollout relatively soon through these particular

major building material producers and through our own process.

I mean, we, we recognize that we can't boil the ocean.

We recognize that these things take time.

But we certainly believe that with the adoption of our technologies to these very

large building material manufacturers, that their endorsement behind these

products and what tests that they have done so far with their installers

have all been very, very positive.

And we believe that the rollout, uh, will be a relatively smooth, um, uh,

relatively well adopted and certainly very timely as, as, you know, I, every

day I get in the news, I see some house being destroyed by fire or water or

whatever the conditions are, uh, we see, you know, using our product, uh,

certainly helping the environment.

Considerably by the sequestration of the, of the, uh, uh, C, uh, the carbon within

the fiber and never hitting the oxygen and becoming CO2 to, uh, us saving fires.

And then, of course, when houses burn, it also releases carbon and becomes

CO2 plus all of the other poisons.

Uh, we think the rollout is going to be very positive and

we're really, really pumped.

Tell me a little bit about, I'm curious, the name Moxie is OID.

How you say it Moxie OID.

what the OID stands for is Observe, Innovate, and Develop.

And we went under that a while back.

So one of the major ingredients within our process, within our,

uh, our mineralization, the mineral is magnesium oxide.

And so the MOXIE came from magnesium oxide is where that came from.

And so that MOXIE and then OID, observe, innovate, develop.

And the Cerlos name was just a made up name.

Uh, we can use any, uh, surrealistic fiber.

So because of that, uh, we just thought that most people wouldn't

want to, you know, say that, and so we shortened it to Cerlos and that's

how Demoxy and Cerlos came to be.

Awesome.

Very cool.

Well, um, we really are.

Thanks so much guys.

This has been very informative.

Um, we're kind of close to wrapping up what we call the business end of things.

Then we have a little bit of fun also, but, um, is there anything that we

haven't covered yet today that you wanted to be sure to share with our audience?

Well, the one thing I'd like to mention about CIRLOS is that, um,

you know, it may, it may look like, um, A traditional, uh, board when, uh, fiber

cement board when you were to go into buy it at a Home Depot, um, but you will find

it with our logo, uh, of Solos, um, but it comes, it implies a lot of important

things that not only are we green and carbon neutral, but also it has a lot of

advantages for, you know, the installers.

Um, currently, fiber cement is carcinogenic and the dust of the

fiber cement carries with it a lot of risks, basically for, um,

if too much of it is inhaled.

Um, and of course, you need special saws and special equipment.

So all of our material, doesn't matter what it is, if it's roofing or

something, or panels, but you'll be able to use traditional, um, carpentry

material, uh, carpentry tools.

And we think, we think that'll be a strong advantage, um, for installers.

And also there's no health risks at all.

So between the health and the tooling aspect of it, and the fact that it will

be at or lower than existing prices.

Um, and offer additional features like water and fire prevention resistance.

Um, we expect adoption to be quite quick.

Well, it sounds like a huge plus over fiber cement.

I remember the first time I was on a fiber cement project and I was just shocked

by, you know, the water having to keep everything wetted down and wear masks.

And it was just, I was like, this is crazy.

Um,

Exactly.

And on some sites, you have to, you have to throw away 20 to 30 percent

because of, of breakage as well.

And breakage is another factor that you don't have to

worry about with our product.

Very good.

Well, this has been great.

Very informative.

Before we close out or and have you give us your information, I have to

ask if you're willing to participate in something we call rapid fire questions.

So, uh, we got 2 of you, so we'll allow both of you to answer,

but these are 7 questions.

Some are serious.

Some are a little more silly.

All you have to do is give the response that comes to mind.

So are you guys up to the challenge of rapid fire?

Sure.

Great.

Well, we will alternate asking questions.

You want to ask the first question and give you both an opportunity to answer.

You want to ask the first question, Ryan?

Yeah, I would love to.

Question number one, what is a product or service you have

purchased in recent memory that has been a real game changer for you?

And it can't be Cerlos, although I love that one.

It's the first thing that came to mind.

So I had to back off and try to give Dylan an opportunity, but, uh, I

would, for me, I would have to say it was, um, uh, and, uh, Starlink.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

We've had a couple of other people answer that.

Very good.

Anything come to mind for you, Dylan?

Usually I've moved houses myself.

I just moved house.

So, uh, a full, um, uh, uh, moving service saved my back and, uh, body a lot.

So I would just be more traditional and say that.

I love that and that is something I have sworn next time I move,

I am not personally lifting anything.

Yeah, I say that to everybody I know.

I add to Dylan.

Don't ever call me to paint or move.

I

Okay, question number two.

Um, would you rather live without internet access or Starlink

or without air conditioning?

I think it depends on where you live and Robert lives in Vegas.

live in Las Vegas.

I am going to say without Starlink.

Yeah, well, it depends on who wins the election.

Starlink may not be up for too long.

But, um, so I, I, I would keep the, I'd keep the internet because, uh, in Southern

LA here, the temperature is more mild.

But if I lived in Vegas where Robert was at 120, I'd probably

keep the air conditioning.

Air conditioning.

I gotcha.

Good answers.

Question number three.

If you had to eat a cray, what color of cran would you choose to eat?

Well, that is interesting.

What's really interesting is the pronunciation of crayon.

See, I'm from Canada.

I couldn't figure out what you were saying at first, right?

So, if I was to pick, I'd have to say green because my mother

always told me to eat the green.

Good answer.

Yeah, I think I was actually thinking green as well.

Just somehow psychologically, maybe it would, uh, it would

be repelled less in my body.

And nothing influenced by your clothing either.

I was gonna say you're dressed in green today,

Dylan, so that may be your color.

Next question, um, what is a skill that you think is undervalued in today's world?

A skill, you know, an ability that is undervalued in the world today.

Um, I think, uh, traditional trades, um, you know,

it's been shown that there's a.

Especially with Ivy League, just regular university costs going through the roof,

there has been a huge shift in the U.

S.

to trade schools and community schools.

Now that, uh, you know, tradesmen can earn very high six digit salaries, and you

can You can actually enter the workforce without debt or significant debt.

Um, there's been a very rapid change in, in, in the thinking of, of trade schools.

And I think it's very important in the U.

S.

now.

Yeah, I agree.

I would say in mind the mechanic too, like a mechanic.

Mm hmm.

You know, we're certainly moving away from, uh, mechanics doing

what mechanics used to do and just getting into, you know, um, automated processes

that do the repair automatically.

I just don't see, I don't see myself or my children, um, you know,

rebuilding a Tesla 30 years from now.

You know, like, I'm kind of a car buff and I've restored, had a lot of cars restored.

I don't see my kids restoring a Tesla 35 years from now, but there you go.

that'll be interesting to see how that plays out for sure.

Okay.

Next question.

Um, if you could bake a blueberry pie with any person dead or

alive, who would you choose?

would have to choose Dylan Tinker because I've had his blueberry pie.

You don't get double points there.

Um, Oh, uh, bake a blueberry pie, um, with anybody.

Uh, actually Abraham Lincoln was famous.

Uh, there's some famous stories of him and blueberry pie.

So I would actually, that's who I'd have a conversation with.

Very

Good choice.

I need to, I need to check out these stories about a

Blinken and blueberry pie though.

Okay.

Well, we're going to stay with the food motif right here.

Next to last question.

What is your favorite meal?

Oh, for me, I would have to say it's probably

Thanksgiving meal, turkey dinner.

Very nice.

Good one.

Yeah, favorite meal.

Interesting.

Um, yeah, I would think, I would just say Christmas.

Uh, we have Christmas dinners, uh, and that's, that's when, uh, the 15 of us

and the extended family get together.

Um, that's when I show off my inability to cook, uh, real food.

So, I would say Christmas.

Okay.

Final question.

This one's a little more serious here to wrap things up.

What would you like to be remembered for at the end of your days?

Well, I take, uh, helping to create with Robert and the

team, uh, you know, the, the first, uh, green building material, which

is what we're discussing of Cerlos.

And Cerlos, you know, can make a very strong environmental,

um, benefit to this world.

And, you know, 20 percent of CO2 emissions are in the building material sector.

Um, maybe we can make a dent on that and she'll help our kids.

Yeah, I agree with Dylan.

I, you know, I'm also very, uh, a family type person and I think it's

extremely important, um, to instill with our family or with my family anyway,

certainly safety in the environment.

Right.

And I think I have embedded that within our family and, and they.

Um, you know, we all look forward to, uh, as Dylan's saying, the implementation

of this particular material, because I think it will provide both.

I think it will provide a significant improvement and help.

Certainly, we don't, we certainly won't do it in my generation and probably

not my kids generation, but if we can can still that in our families

and continue it for generations.

We will solve this environmental problem and we will provide, uh,

safer, uh, and better buildings to work in and, and live in.

Well, those are noble causes.

I applaud you both and applaud what you're doing with your business here as well.

So, um, Robert and Dylan, thank you so much for your time today for our folks

who want to get in touch with you or learn more about Moxie OID or Surlus.

How, uh, give us some ways they can do that.

Sure, you bet.

Go to our website, Moxie ID M-O-X-Y-O-I d.com or cerlos.com, C-E-R-L-O s.com.

And on there, we'll give our contact details and our phone

numbers, or just info at moxioid.

com.

And we'll certainly get back to you right away.

And again, gentlemen, thank you so much for the opportunity to be able to, uh,

to present our particular material to you and those who will be listening.

Well, that sounds good.

And I know I found both of you pretty easily on LinkedIn, uh, so

folks can find you there as well.

Well, um, I forgot to say at the beginning of the show that we were doing our

challenge words, but I think the audience is kind of used to that at this point.

So, uh, each of us had something we were challenged to work into the conversation,

and I think we all were successful.

Ryan, your word was,

Well, I had a phrase, which was bake a blueberry pie

it in there with your challenge, your rapid fire question.

Good job.

and was almost too easy.

I mean, that was a setup with those rapid fire questions.

Robert, you got yours in right off the bat.

Your phrase you had to work in was.

Yeah,

you're right.

I had to get it out of the way.

Yeah.

that's sometimes that's the best way to do it.

And Dylan, you got yours.

Actually, I think Robert got yours in before you did, but.

tried to get three extra points by mentioning everyone's special

words, but, uh, that actually just set me up for mine, so it made my job easy.

And you had white picket fence.

Good job.

Yeah, there are no extra points for getting one word

in, let alone all of them.

But, uh, you know, good try.

And I had the word skunk, um, which I, uh, uh, that was just really odd how

I worked it in, but I got it in there.

Yeah.

Well, you threw a possum in there with it, if I recall.

I did.

I did.

I thought I might as well had to add another animal.

Well, thank you guys both again so much for being on the show.

We really appreciate it.

You bet.

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